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Re: OK.

Please help make the Manifesto better, or accept it, and propagate it!
The people's representatives do not have any bills to pay.The travelling is
free.The housing is free.The telephone is free.In a nutshell everything is
free including most of the times things considered criminal for normal
citizens.Kindly recall SC's observations in JMM case!
Presumably Umesh will be able to read sarcasm implicit if not intended in
Sanjeev's Re,but I suggest that(still) the personal feelings must be
relegated to the background.Then only the constructive aspect of any debate
can survive.And I do not say this to sermonise but out of sheer necessity
that somebody has to say it.
Hope that normalcy in debate will continue to sustain.One occasion of
departure has already been on display.
Raju Bharatiya
----- Original Message -----
From: Dr. Sanjeev Sabhlok <sanjeev@sabhlokcity.com>
To: <debate@indiapolicy.org>
Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 8:20 AM
Subject: OK.

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> Please help make the Manifesto better, or accept it, and propagate it!
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> Dear Umesh:
> All right then. All that you want is already there in India. You will
> receive Rs 10000 appx per month plus a huge number of hidden perks. The
> fact that a vast majority of politicians are corrupt (or connive at it)
> then must be due to the fact that Indians are genetically corrupt. I guess
> there is no solution then to India's problems.
> In any case, you can now join politics then and contest parliamentary
> elections next time. I hope you enjoy raising funds directly from the
> individual public (my experience is that  people ASK for money, drinks and
> blankets, and very rarely have I seen anyone donate: in your cases maybe
> exceptions will apply, but remember that these will remain exceptions to
> the rule).
> Please do regale us with your various experiences in fund-raising from
> villagers and slum dwellers, and how you resolved the pressures which I
> have seen operate in India in my many years of closely watching and
> with political leaders at all levels, pre- and post-election. I eagerly
> await a detailed monograph with all facts and figures, from you.
> At 07:33 PM 03/08/2000 -0800, Umesh wrote:
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> >Please help make the Manifesto better, or accept it, and propagate it!
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> >http://www.indiapolicy.org/lists/india_policy/2000/Mar/msg00030.html
> >
> >I have strong objection to making fuzzy statements like
> >"...the political will to pay our representatives a compensation which is
> >comparable to the investment made in contesting elections..."
> >This kind of statement can never be the basis to formulate policies on
> >a law maker ought to earn.
> >The compensation for a law maker certainly ought to be reasonable enough
> >allow him/her to pay his bills, and by paying bill, one must never
> >the bills that come out of spending in election campaigns or expensive
> >parties. Paying bills simply means what it means to the ordinary
> >such as paying bills for electricity, water and other essential
> >and everything else that a head of a family earns a living for.
> >A reasonable compensation similar to a class one officer such as
> >ought to be enough for a law maker. After five years, if the law maker
> >to win an election, too bad, government is not responsible for that. If a
> >former law maker ends up becoming jobless, he/she should be able to claim
> >some minimal living allowance with the condition that the individual
> >to find a gainful employment and once he is gainfully employed again he
> >should not get anything until he/she reaches the old age of say 70, that
> >when he should be qualified for a proposed social security benefit just
> >every other old citizen of India.
> >Beyond that, making visits to his/her constituency ought to come as part
> >the official responsibility of the legislator, and appropriate funding
> >subject to accounts auditing, ought to be done in order to ensure that
> >law maker is provided with the necessary means to do his/her job, but
> >of the money allocated for purposes other then his personal income ends
> >in his/her pocket, or in the pocket of his/her friends. This is public
> >money.
> >As for the numerous requests for donations that a legislator gets as you
> >say, his/her compensation should have nothing to do with that. A
> >is free to make donations (tax deductible in some cases) out of his/her
> >personal income just like you and I are, and the extent of his personal
> >donations should purely be determined by how generous he/she is, how much
> >wealth he/she has generated through legal enterprise, and what his/her
> >personal liabilities are. The talk of fixing compensation of a law maker
> >should never get into such topics.
> >As far as election campaign expenses are concerned, there is no excuse,
> >has to be fought by local people through local organization, raising
> >from local citizens to whatever extent it is possible, with complete
> >accountability of how the money was raised, who gave how much money, and
> >that no big corporation bought election for one or the other individual
> >candidate. But this later topic is a separate subject that must be
> >under election system reform, and should have nothing to do with what a
> >maker earns.
> >Those who wish to get a return for the money they spend running for a
> >elected office (if they spend personal money at all), through higher
> >compensation or corrupt practices don't belong here, and must think of
> >other for-profit enterprise where they can afford to make profit without
> >possibility of going to jail. To me, an ordinary citizen, who is
> >with the call of duty to serve his nation as a public official, does
> >money by his shear ability to energize local population to donate money
> >his campaign fund, which is a separate legal entity accountable to the
> >public as well as election commission. He uses this legally raised money
> >run his campaign and not dip on his personal retirement savings.
> >once the election is won, he does not have to indulge into corrupt
> >to make up for his personal loss.
> >You can criticize this approach as being too difficult, impractical, or
> >simplistic, but nonetheless, this is the right approach, which offers a
> >level playing field to every citizen.
> >More later.
> >Umesh Tiwari
> >
> >
> >This is the National Debate on System Reform.
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