Re: Dismantle IAS, IPS etc..

["Cprakash" <Cprakash@goplay.com>]

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In addtion, we can study a lot of models of privatisation and learn
from them. Madras, where i used to live is in deperate need of better
civic services and the private sector( precisely a concern called
EXNORA ) has taken up the delivery of garbage in our areas. this is
the market at work. People need clenliness and a better environment
and, as the people in our area proved, are ready to PAY for it. A
municipal corporation should be judged on the same basis as any
organistion.

efficiency = output/input. Mr Kandasamy's figures indicate that the
figure for madras munincipality is 5%. Dismantle this wasteful
institution, or make it acountable by electing local leaders who
promise on paper that they will make the corporation more
accountable. and sue the politicians if they don't fulfil their
promises.

regards
prakash

"Krishnan Kandasamy" <nkandasamy@hotmail.com> wrote on Thursday
January 4, 2001 at  7:04am:
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>First of all, Thanks Mr.Venugopal for some of the excellent points
raised by
>you regarding the above suggestion. Let me try to address them one
by one.
>
>"The Worth of a State, in the long run, is the worth of the
individuals
>composing it" -J.S Mill
>
>"We put too much faith in systems, and look too little to men" -
B.Disraeli.
>
>The above quotes are from the book Self-Help by Samuel Smiles, which
I think
>are relavent here.
>
>What is needed is that power of an individual should rise, he/she
should not
>be blinded or harmed by the "system". In India, the system is
demonised to
>such an extend that people are afraid to voice their concerns. Very
>typically it the criminals that take the initiative and they are the
ones
>ruling us.
>
>We are afraid to raise our voice aganist the postman who is rude,
aganist
>the lowly peon who wants a bribe. Because the fact of the matter is
even
>those lowly govt lepers can cause you harm if they want to.
>
>So, how do you distroy this monster "system"- Break it in to million
pieces.
>That is how!, why instituzanise that buracracy?. Lets break it. Make
every
>individual count.
>
>Today in India, bankers, telephone employees and others virtually
threaten
>the Govt. aganist privitazation because the babus are afraid of
losing their
>cosy, adapted corrupt ways.
>
>We must be dreaming to expect that babus and netas will give up the
cash
>cows of the Govt Industry and fully supprot private initiative.
>
>In a society where individual freedom and power is made superior
based on
>his or her high moral grounds, the system will buckle, howmuch ever
corrupt
>it might be.
>
>It is not that we have to root out corruption 100%, because some
individuals
>will always be corrupt, but the "system" should not be corrupt or
protect
>the corrupt.
>
>In order to get a promotion in police service, it is common that you
have to
>bribe the higher ups, so the local police wallah goes about taking
bribes:
>That is the only way that he can survive.
>
>Honest individuals like Mr.Sanjeev have to bribe somebody to escape
from
>bribary.
>
>Now, answers to your questions.
>
>>1. What would we do after abolition or dismantling of IAS, IPS etc?
Do
>>we plan to hand over the jobs to the ruling party? Which party? How
do
>>we ensure that the party gives less bureaucratic services than the
>>present bureaucracy?
>
>Recruit directly for any job. Even in U.S bureaucracy can be a
pain!, O.K.,
>lets say for MTNL or BHEL , instead of appointing a IAS (Indian
Aristocracy
>Service)lords, appoint an person who knows the job.
>
>Genius administrators don't come out of current "experienced",
cosyed up,
>self-glorified bureacractic sewer pool.
>
>
>>2. After the services are abolished, how does government run? Is it
>>through private people on contract service? Is it a short-term
contract
>>for one year or three years, Or, is it long term contract for 20
years?
>>If it is short-term, it simply cannot work because the chap wont
>>understand the work. If it is long term, how would it be different
from
>>the present ones we have anyway?
>
>Performance and individual interest, when individual is empowered,
he or she
>will join the system (Police) and make it more worthfull.  police
system
>will be composed only of those individuals, who are motivated enough
to do
>that job.
>
>
>3. Did we make enough efforts to 'tame' the bureaucracy within broad
>>framework of rules and regulations? There are conduct rules, there
are
>>rules governing anti-corruption. Are we using system of incentives
and
>>disncentives which are permitted within the rules, in order to
recognize
>>and encourage good ones and punish bad ones?
>
>Regualtions don't work if the implementors themselves corrupt.
>Incentives are abused and disincentives are used to punish the good
ones.
>
>Let me one thing clear, noboby should feel that they should be
honored
>because they are honest, It is a human and society obligation. Too
often,
>that honest people, go in to the self pity mode.
>
>
>>4. Who is the boss? In a democracy, people are supreme. Democracy
does
>>not mean just having elections every five years. It is essentially
>>enabling citizens to participate more in governance. How many of the
>>citizens feel like participating? Why do educated citizens feel
that it
>>is not their job to take the trouble of filling in a
>>complaints/suggestion form, wherever it is available? Of course some
>>citizens' forums are coming up, taking up issues like transparency,
>>right to information and anti-corruption. There is definitely need
for
>>more such organizations and more meaningful participation by people
at
>>large in matters of governance, whether it is civic facilities,
>>development projects, or even basic law enforcement. After the IAS
and
>>IPS are abolished, what exactly will change? Will there be
education for
>>everybody and health facilities and drinking water for all? Who
will do
>>it? Will private sector come forward to do this type of 'non-profit'
>>work? Yes, there is a great deal of scope for NGOs to play. But, is
>>anybody stopping them now?
>
>Chennai Municipality for example uses 95% of the taxes it collects
to pay
>salary to its employees and it has no money to do some thing for the
city.
>So I have to pay my hard earned cash to pay salary to that thug, who
will
>abuse me and ask for bribe, if I go to him for a "approval". What is
the
>use?. Nothing is being done anyway?. Why not abolish salary and make
bribe
>as the means for compension.
>
>Power of individuals is great. Gandhi and others would have been
overwhelmed
>by the british, but they kept at it. It is hard to fight the evil
britishers
>or the system by if individuals can slowly chip, poke and bite this
monster,
>soon there will be million individuals biting this monster and it
will die.
>Enough number of ants can distroy an elephant.
>
>Who don't the industry group have the guts to say that they will not
bribe
>the babus?. Why can't the shopkeepers association, and the resident
of a
>colony just declare boldly that no bribe will be given of taken?.
>
>
>This monster is evil but has weak spots. If thousand individuals go
to the
>local telephone company and demand proper service, these minions
will be so
>afraid that they will *** in their pants.
>
>
>5. There are many countries like New Zealand that have attempted
basic
>>civil service reforms. The model there is broadly, something like
having
>>a Memorandum of Understanding between the Head of the Department
and the
>>Minister before beginning of every year. Once the MOU is finalized
with
>>clear statement of targets, the Minister will not 'interfere' in the
>>work of the bureacrats. The Head of the Department in turn, engages
>>people selected on his own/ her own to undertake the work. Broad
>>contours of the work on what kind of services to be provided, in
what
>>manner they are to be provided etc are all decided in the MOU. The
>>remuneration, service conditions etc  of all the people down the
line
>>are l decided by the Head of the Department.At the end of the year,
if
>>the concerned Head of the Department fails to deliver, he/she is
chucked
>>out.  For those interested in knowing more about civil service
reforms
>>in different countries, read book "civil service reform" by
S.K.Das, who
>>happens to be an IAS officer. Of course, the questions which need
to be
>>addressed are: How can this model be cost-effective, considering our
>>backward level of economic development? There are always some
honest and
>>efficient civil servants of all ranks and all categories. They are
>>making tremendous efforts to uphold the rule of law, to ensure
proper
>>procedures in the larger interests of justice and fairplay, taking
>>enormous personal risks.. Would the new system protect such civil
>>servants who may be saying 'no' to the boss too often? How do we
know
>>that the remedy is not worse than the disease? Even if it is good
and
>>desirable, how does one convince the elected government about the
need
>>to undertake such reforms?
>
>Elected government should be infiltrate by people from IPI and other
NGO's.
>If enough honest people get in to that stinking pool and clean it
and
>instead of stay away and complain about the smell, too bad!.,
>
>In order to clean an dirty pond enough fresh water has to be brough
in!
>
>
>>I end here by saying that a well-thought out and practical action
plan
>>to reform the civil service is welcome. But, merely
saying 'dismantle
>>services' will not take us anywhere.
>
>You don't have to agree with me on every thing but let IPI member
>think/debate  and have a little bit of faith that they can make an
>difference.
>
>
>Hit them where is hurts, these Govt rascals are a just a few million
we can
>surely teach them and make them behave properly if individuals take
the
>initiative and start choking them!
>
>No apologies for any body!



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